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https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/110333215/lime-admits-to-escooter-glitch-which-locks-up-wheels-at-speed-causing-excruciating-injuries

 

Lime admits to e-scooter fault which locks up wheels at speed, causing 'excruciating' injuries

Nicole Lawton16:15, Feb 07 2019


 

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Lime has admitted that a glitch is causing an unknown number of e-scooters in its New Zealand fleet to randomly brake mid-ride, sending passengers flying. 

It happened to Auckland's Chris St Bruno, whose resulting "excruciating" injuries required three days in hospital and 10 weeks off work.

 

 

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"My accident alone has cost the country thousands of dollars. Hospital stay, ACC payments and now physiotherapy."

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/110333215/lime-admits-to-escooter-glitch-which-locks-up-wheels-at-speed-causing-excruciating-injuries

 

Like I said, Ban the bloody things!

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Lime e-scooters ordered off Auckland streets over wheel-locking issue

 

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Kimpton said there had been 155 "irregular braking incidents" reported across the country, 92 of which were in Auckland.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/110806313/lime-escooters-ordered-off-auckland-streets-following-safety-concerns

 

And the ACC Levy Payers, that's you and I and most of New Zealand (compulsory levies on wages, fuel etc etc) pay for the treatment of the injuries and compensate those injured for lost earnings etc!

 

I totally agree .... BAN LIME SCOOTERS!

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Lime e-scooters off Auckland and Dunedin streets over wheel-locking issue

Caroline Williams and Oliver Lewis20:07, Feb 22 2019

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/110806313/lime-escooters-ordered-off-auckland-streets-following-safety-concerns

 

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"We have been clear with Lime representatives that the equipment used on our transport network must be safe for use," Kimpton said.

"The safety of people using e-scooters and those that share the environment with them is our number one priority.

"While we appreciate the amenity that e-scooters offer as an innovative transport solution, safety is not negotiable.

"We want to solve this. We want action."

Lime had also assured the council that it had followed up with those injured, Kimpton said.

 

> "We want to solve this. We want action."

 

Totally agree, Ban the bloody things!

 

Issue solved!

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Found this excellent opinion on another site that I need to share with everyone

 

The writer is Chris

 

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Lime Scooters Public

Chris Ellison from Te Awamutu

WOW! Over half a million dollars paid out by ACC for injuries put down to the Lime scooters. I hope the businesses concerned are being billed for that lot. I can't believe the Auckland Council allowed them to carry on renting them out for so long. I don't believe they belong on footpaths or on the road. I suppose that as always it will take a serious injury before the authorities close them down permanently. If an elderly or a young person gets hit, it could well be a fatality. I have always understood that footpaths are for foot traffic. (Freedom scooters excepted). No skates, skate-boards, scooters or bicycles, but it seems that over the last 20 or so years it has become open slather for anything that does not require a licence or registration being used on our footpaths. It's bad enough here when school comes out and it becomes a free for all down Alexandra St with bicycles etc. Come on Government, Councils and Police, put an end to the stupidity that has taken over our footpaths.

 

https://www.neighbourly.co.nz/message/view/55722440

 

I hope the writer will consider joining this forum and sharing his views and opinions about, not only Lime Scooters but ACC as well.

 

ACC operates on a No Fault system.

To cut to the chase, it's the NZ ACC Levy Payers that foot the injury bills including E.R.C (earning related compensation)

 

My opinion is that if a product and or service used in NZ is proved/known to cause any level of injury, the importer/manufacturer/service provider should be required to pay a huge percentage of the cost of the ACC claim and charge their clients/customers extra money which goes direct to the ACC Levy Payers fund/account to off-set costs associated with the injury causing whatever.

 

An example - NZ tobacco/cigarette smokers pay an extra tax on any tobacco product which I believed was to help the District Health Boards look after smokers when/if their health deteriorates

 

The same system could also work on Lime scooters.

 

The more people use them, the more money goes into the ACC levy payers account/fund.

 

Why did Lime not cease hiring out these scooters everywhere as soon as they became aware of the issue?

 

One, maybe Two "Brakes Locking" issues should have been enough for LIME to hit the pause button until the serious issue was fixed and tested!

 

Since Lime Scooters suddenly appeared in NZ I have been waiting for that breaded News Flash that a person has been killed while using a Lime Scooter!

 

I hope I never see the day.

 

Just a note, Its no use asking some users/riders of the Lime Scooters to slow down and ride responsibly some wouldn't give two hoots on how many old folk and kids they hit - some more than others think they're indispensable when riding a lime. Until its too late. sadly next is rip

 

 

I'll try and make contact with someone at Lime and invite them to join and participate in these discussions.

 

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Don't forget that here in NZ we can't sue anyone for causing injury

 

We apparently gave up the right to sue way back when Rob was in control.

 

In return he gave us the ACC - a fairer system to the injured party - yeah right!

 

3 Billion is it?

 

ACC have an estimated three (3) Billion NZ Dollars in their bank account!

 

Levy Payers money that should be used to rehabilitate injured people to same level prior to injury

 

Its not happening!

 

There are still hundreds and hundreds (1000's to be honest) of genuinely injured individuals in NZ that end up being assisted by WINZ when ACC declines claim or interferes with assessment process to exit claimant from their rightful entitlements way before client actually medically fit and no longer requires help from acc!

 

ACC merely transfers their obligations to winz.

 

ACC is funded by a Compulsory ACC Levy on just about everything in NZ which nearly everyone pays in some way or another

WINZ is funded by the NZ Tax Payer.

 

The NZ Tax payer is helping the ACC get richer and richer

 

Meanwhile WINZ is always asking the NZ Govt for money to help keep going

 

We're actually paying to be compulsorily covered in two ways.

 

eh

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Lime calls for e-scooter riders' support with app campaign after Auckland Council ban

MELANIE EARLEY17:02, Feb 23 2019
 

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"It's just a health and safety thing - they need to fix the risks the scooters pose to get the licence, so I don't understand why I'm being sent thousands of emails, it's just annoying."

 North Shore Ward councillor Richard Hills said on Twitter that he was a Lime user and had been backing the company, but said the mass emails wouldn't help get councillors on side.

"I can't even reply to supporters as it's just one email address - suspension is due to Lime's defect not Lime opposition."

 

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110815486/lime-calls-for-escooter-riders-support-with-app-campaign-after-auckland-council-ban

 

 

I have had a change of heart after reading some more info on Lime Scooters.

Only if they fix the injury causing bug in their software and agree to pay all costs inured by ACC and others as a result of being injured while riding a Lime Scooter they should be given another chance - also if NZ Govt brings in the 10k an hour speed limit to stop the hoons from killing themselves or someone else! They also need to pay their taxes and gst on all hires.

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NZ PM Jacinda Ardern says Lime scooter company should pay 'fair share' of tax

 

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On Monday, Auckland Council chief operating officer Dean Kimpton said it had asked Lime for further information over safety issues with the scooters, "and have suspended their licence until such time as we are comfortable with their response".

"We are expecting to hear back from them early this week and will then need to consider this information before making any further decisions."

Lime told Stuff on Saturday the bug had already been fixed thanks to a firmware update. 

"That update has eliminated [the glitch] and will reduce the number of incidents," Mitchell Price, Lime's director of government affairs and strategy, said.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110859511/jacinda-ardern-says-lime-scooter-company-should-pay-fair-share-of-tax

 

 

Lime told Stuff on Saturday the bug had already been fixed thanks to a firmware update. 

"That update has eliminated [the glitch] and will reduce the number of incidents," Mitchell Price, Lime's director of government affairs and strategy, said.

 

Dear Mr Price

It is quite obvious why the Auckland Council are reluctant to reinstate Lime's operating license

"That update has eliminated [the glitch] and will reduce the number of incidents,"

I understand Lime was supposed to "Fix" the issue/problem, not merely reduce the number of incidents/injuries!

May I suggest first fix the issue and then trial run in the USA where riders are able to sue if injured.

Is NZ being used as a testing ground where Lime can't be sued for injuries caused to users/riders of Lime Scooters?

Have a great day.

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ACC pays out $740,000 for e-scooter-related injuries in five months

Danielle Clent14:01, Mar 08 2019


 

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In the five months Lime has operated in New Zealand, ACC has paid out more than $735,000 for 1486 incidents involving e-scooters.

The controversial e-scooters made their debut in Auckland and Christchurch in October, launched by a California-based company.

Lime e-scooters were then distributed in Hutt Valley in December, followed by Dunedin in January.

The Accident Compensation Corporation has paid out a total of $739,184 for all e-scooter related injuries, as of March 6, since Lime arrived in New Zealand.

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/111121216/acc-pays-out-740000-for-escooterrelated-injuries-in-five-months

 

 

BAN LIME Scooters before people start getting KILLED!

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